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Is a dog crate OK for my hedgy?
hi, iv'e just joined here today after having my first hedgy for 2 months i know what to do and how to handle them but i have a really large dog crate with plastic sides so she cant escape or get caught in the wire whould this be okay to move her into because the cage i have now is 2.4 feet wide and 2 feet longand she needs an upgrade i have a fleece down in there ready and i puit the spare bottle up and filled up a food bowl to go in but will it be okay? its really big it say 3 feet long and about 2 feet high and id say the width is roughly 2.5 feet its been cleaned well and used animal safe cleaning products
please reply tonight so i can move her in? thanks
please reply tonight so i can move her in? thanks

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maybe some pics of the crate would help people respond...I'm having trouble picturing what you describe so it's hard to say one way or the other, whether it's suitable xxx

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Re: Is a dog crate OK for my hedgy?
i havent got a photo but its the same as this but has thick plastic sheets about 3 or 4 inches high on the inside to stop her getting hurt on the bars but the bars on mine are a little bit closer together than in the photo and its wider than this one she will be fine in her other cage if this isnt okay bit because i have a big house and alot of space the dog cage can fit in fine and it would be nicer for her to have more room to moe about

thanks for your help xxxxx

thanks for your help xxxxx

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What heat source are you using? A crate would be a pain to keep at a constant temperature, you'd probably be best investing in a Zoozone2 (they're not too much, around £40 online) or a vivarium. You can get custom built ones for fair rates.

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i had a zoozone but she didnt seem happy so i got a bigger cage with a medium sized heat mat in a constanly heated room its normally at 23.5C all day and 22 after 7 in the night (becuase of my lizards) but because shes so healthy and active i took the heat mat out so i dont think there would be a problem with the temperature, i wont be moving her into it unless its suitable its just an idea at the moment xx

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With a CHE and a lightsource, and covering the bars, there isn't an issue. Dog crates seem small to me, but then again, the ZZ2 seems tiny. What is the square footage of the crate? The ZZ2 is 5.5 square foot for comparison.
One thing I noticed is that you're using a bottle. You should really be using a bowl for water, not a bottle. The bottles are for rodents, who have a vertical posture and constantly growing teeth. Hogs are horizontal, so bottles are at the wrong posture, and they aren't rodents (or rabbits), so they don't have the constantly growing teeth - hogs have chipped and broken off teeth on bottles, which will involve vets visits and irreplacable damage. They've also been known to catch hog tongues, and there have been hogs with bleeding tongues where they've struggled to free themselves :(
One thing I noticed is that you're using a bottle. You should really be using a bowl for water, not a bottle. The bottles are for rodents, who have a vertical posture and constantly growing teeth. Hogs are horizontal, so bottles are at the wrong posture, and they aren't rodents (or rabbits), so they don't have the constantly growing teeth - hogs have chipped and broken off teeth on bottles, which will involve vets visits and irreplacable damage. They've also been known to catch hog tongues, and there have been hogs with bleeding tongues where they've struggled to free themselves :(

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i have only had her 2 months a friend of a friend was getting rid of her so i said id have her because i love animals im doing the best i can for her and the pet shop i went to for advice said not to change anything because shes nearly 2 years old she wont be able to get used to the change the bars are covered on the cage and its all sterylised ect i dont have a clue on the square foot but its much bigger than a zoozone its an old mastiff's cage so its pretty big and it will be made better and more secure by my dad before shed be moveing in. but if it wouldnt be okay for her i wont do it i just thought it would be better for her to have more space. shes really grown on me and shes practicall with me all the time i have her out on my lap in the mornings at lunch in school i come home and have her out for the hour give her a few treats and let her out in the little ball pit/paddleing pool i have for her with a big tube another wheel ect and she stays out from about 5 till 9 in the nights then i leave her to play on her wheel she still doesnt like me touching her quills but she doesnt huff she just waddles away lol
but if its not gonna be right for her i wont move her she just seems like she needs more room to wander around
any tips on how to get her to let me smooth her quills ?
thanks xxx
but if its not gonna be right for her i wont move her she just seems like she needs more room to wander around
any tips on how to get her to let me smooth her quills ?
thanks xxx

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The dog crate sounds like it would be OK to me as long as the bars are blocked off. I think from reading others posts with cages with bars that the bars are usually blocked off up to 6 inches as hogs seem to stretch if they want to get somewhere!
I don't think it matters how old a hog is when it comes to going from a water bottle to a bowl. I switched a hog over who was 1.5 years old and he now uses a bowl. I put both the bowl and the bottle in the cage in case he didn't know where to get water from if I just took the bottle away. I did that for about a week or 2, until I was confident that he was using the bowl. I then took the bottle away and he continued to use the bowl.
With smoothing her quills I think this will just come with time and lots of bonding. It can take older hogs a little longer to trust new owners.
I don't think it matters how old a hog is when it comes to going from a water bottle to a bowl. I switched a hog over who was 1.5 years old and he now uses a bowl. I put both the bowl and the bottle in the cage in case he didn't know where to get water from if I just took the bottle away. I did that for about a week or 2, until I was confident that he was using the bowl. I then took the bottle away and he continued to use the bowl.
With smoothing her quills I think this will just come with time and lots of bonding. It can take older hogs a little longer to trust new owners.
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thank you so much for your help im gonna do out the cage and make it nice for her im gonna put a new plastic base in there too and buy some new fleeces for her i will try it with the bowl now. Will a rabbit one be okay to use? its china so its heavy enough but its pretty big but not big enough for her to acctually get into it xx

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Think my perspex is 30 cm high. Bodhi can stretch out 20cm easily at full reach. 30cm is what is recommended (or at least, the inch equivalent) on the US forums to ensure there is no stretching, even of the largest of hogs. Also helps keep some of the heat in (probably not) and definitely stops draughts as obviously this is on the floor.
TBH, the whole playpen thing makes me laugh. People want to put their hog in a playpen during their 'nighttime'. Who among us humans would like to be woken at 3 in the morning, kicked out of our nice warm bed and told to go for a 3 mile jog, and then, when we get home, are given instructions to play monopoly for the next hour. Pfft to that! A bigger cage is more useful to a hog - they do the majority of their activity, exercise, running, playing and exploring during the night - the bigger the space, the better. If you know the measurements of the cage, convert them to feet (typing 'convert <cm number>cm to feet' into google works admirably!), and then times the length by the width (ignore the height) - gives you the square footage. 4 square foot is absolute minimum, ZZ2 is 5.5, and for reference, Bodhi is in 18 square feet. The higher the square foot number, the better. If you can get 10 with the dog crate, then I see no issue with that - double the ZZ2 size makes it very much worth the expense. They will make use of the bigger size.
Age has no relevants with regards to animal husbandry. Don't care if the hog is 2 days or 18 years (HA!), the proper equipment should be attempted. It is probably far more stressful for a hog to have to struggle to get water, than to offer a bowl as well. Most people suggest placing the bowl under the spout of the bottle to encourage use. Then placing the spout in the bowl, and then just the bowl. Your vet is talking tripe. If it was the other way around, and you were doing something that might degatively affect the hog in some way, perhaps - but you are already changing the cage, the bottle to bowl is minor to that. Be a bit like saying you were 'stressing' a 60 year old out by feeding them fresh fruit and veg if they'd only ever had canned stuff. Might be novel and take a while for them to realise how much tastier it is, but the fringe benefits to health far far outweigh any hesitance to inspect a novel object.
I use a cat bowl which is about 14cm wide. I got one from the US, and Joey (on here) sells them in a variety of colours with polka dots on them, so I have two of them as well. You want them to be quite shallow though, so I'd think rabbit ones might be too deep. Hogs won't be climbing onto the side, after all. Bodhi's US one, she walks through (which isn't practical!). A lot of people use normal bowls though, and I've used Gu Puds ramekin bowls during wash day - they are fab!
Smoothing quills, if Bodhi ever glares at me if I wake her up, or someone surprises her (more likely the latter, thankfully!), I stroke her quite firmly from shoulders to bum. This works for unballed hogs, but you have to be quite firm about it - although obviously not hard enough to hurt. Technique I got from my breeder, and it definitely works with normally placid hogs.
TBH, the whole playpen thing makes me laugh. People want to put their hog in a playpen during their 'nighttime'. Who among us humans would like to be woken at 3 in the morning, kicked out of our nice warm bed and told to go for a 3 mile jog, and then, when we get home, are given instructions to play monopoly for the next hour. Pfft to that! A bigger cage is more useful to a hog - they do the majority of their activity, exercise, running, playing and exploring during the night - the bigger the space, the better. If you know the measurements of the cage, convert them to feet (typing 'convert <cm number>cm to feet' into google works admirably!), and then times the length by the width (ignore the height) - gives you the square footage. 4 square foot is absolute minimum, ZZ2 is 5.5, and for reference, Bodhi is in 18 square feet. The higher the square foot number, the better. If you can get 10 with the dog crate, then I see no issue with that - double the ZZ2 size makes it very much worth the expense. They will make use of the bigger size.
Age has no relevants with regards to animal husbandry. Don't care if the hog is 2 days or 18 years (HA!), the proper equipment should be attempted. It is probably far more stressful for a hog to have to struggle to get water, than to offer a bowl as well. Most people suggest placing the bowl under the spout of the bottle to encourage use. Then placing the spout in the bowl, and then just the bowl. Your vet is talking tripe. If it was the other way around, and you were doing something that might degatively affect the hog in some way, perhaps - but you are already changing the cage, the bottle to bowl is minor to that. Be a bit like saying you were 'stressing' a 60 year old out by feeding them fresh fruit and veg if they'd only ever had canned stuff. Might be novel and take a while for them to realise how much tastier it is, but the fringe benefits to health far far outweigh any hesitance to inspect a novel object.
I use a cat bowl which is about 14cm wide. I got one from the US, and Joey (on here) sells them in a variety of colours with polka dots on them, so I have two of them as well. You want them to be quite shallow though, so I'd think rabbit ones might be too deep. Hogs won't be climbing onto the side, after all. Bodhi's US one, she walks through (which isn't practical!). A lot of people use normal bowls though, and I've used Gu Puds ramekin bowls during wash day - they are fab!
Smoothing quills, if Bodhi ever glares at me if I wake her up, or someone surprises her (more likely the latter, thankfully!), I stroke her quite firmly from shoulders to bum. This works for unballed hogs, but you have to be quite firm about it - although obviously not hard enough to hurt. Technique I got from my breeder, and it definitely works with normally placid hogs.

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i found a shallow little dish in the cupboard and filled it 3/4 full shes standing on my laptop right now watching what im doing lol she also has a funny habbit on licking my arms close to my elbows i have no clue why either the square feet worked out to 7.845 with 3434343434343434 after it about a billions times so its a pretty good size when i get some more plastic and add some more 'furniture' to it i will upload a pic too see if its okay thanks for your help i really appreciate it xx

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Just to let you know, if your hog is licking you expect one or two nibbles - which can hurt!
They aren't being mean they just sometimes like to annoint or they explore items/people with their mouths, mine likes to bite my Iphone charger plug.
Just wouldn't want you to be put off if you didn't expect it then got a nibble.
They aren't being mean they just sometimes like to annoint or they explore items/people with their mouths, mine likes to bite my Iphone charger plug.
Just wouldn't want you to be put off if you didn't expect it then got a nibble.

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Something I'd suggest is try and raise it a few inches off the floor, I've found cadged on the floor do seem to get colder.

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ive had more than a few nibbles off her and would putting plastic on the outside too stop the draft?xx

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We have perspex up to 30cm the entire way around. Stops climbing and daughts. Doesn't keep the heat in, which is the issue with any non-enclosed cage space.

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